i needed a spoiler.... but where did you find the chapter?? its not on mangagreader.net yet.
can you email me with where you found it (s_lukas2@yahoo.com)


oh and I always thought oz was alive then, 100 years b4 the story. but there is the fact that his uncle recalled the strange sequence after his birthday... the fact that he WAS born and has memories contradicts that theory. in a way he was alive. it is like jack could read the future when he mentioned the power of b-rabbit to the peeps who had the first sealing stone thing... the ones who were beheadded?? forgot the name... he said that only b-rabbit would come to save them. EHH?? how the hell did he know, when alice was just alice.

and how did he seal glen's power if he died shortly after he was injured fighting glen

how the hell did he have the time to write in his diary that they should not be calling him a hero?? either things happened fast, or he died VERY VERY slowly...


i cant help feeling like a conspiracy theorist when I write this ^-^ but this is what makes the plotline so AMAZING and mysterious

totally my fav seriese..




wait, so where can I read this ?? :DDDD

I'm really sad that Elliot is gone *cries* TT___TT He is one of my favorite characters after all (same reason why you like him). But I'm kind of satisfied with the death that he received. At least, until the end, he remained the same awesome Elliot that we know.

The grave thing was a nice observation. I didn't notice that at first. The silhouette reminded me of a clown, though. But I think the Queen of Hearts is more suitable.

I haven't really thought of Oz being alive 100 years ago but the memory Alice calling his name really bothered me. I even checked her clothing just to make sure that the memory Alice was different from the real Alice.

Regarding Elliot being aware of Gilbert and Echo, I think that black space is like the consciousness of Humpty Dumpty? You know, since the black Humpty Dumpties (Is that what you call them?) are also part of the white Humpty Dumpty so the white knows what's going on with the black ones. That's just what I think, though.

And Elliot stabbing his hand is like a wake up call, right? Since he's becoming consumed by Humpty Dumpty.

"How could I burden that brat with the weight of my life?" That line... that line absolutely broke my heart into sub-atomic particles TT___________TT Because of that, Elliot has become my most favorite character in PH.

So, uh, yeah. That's all. Usually, I don't really comment in discussion threads. I just enjoy reading them. But this chapter was an exception :)

Though I'm not sure what the direct result of stabbing himself was.

I think it was a way of bringing himself back out of the sleeping/unaware state. Causing pain to himself, made him focus on what it was he had to do.

I'm thinking this isn't the last we've seen of Elliot. I HOPE SO!!! But I think his relationship with Leo was glossed over, if that's the be all and end all, I'd have liked to have seen some kind of reaction from Leo apart from getting himself knocked out. Unless we just get the after reaction... I hope not. I have no idea how though, but I doubt Oz and Leo would just let him disappear like that.

I'm thinking Elliot stabbing himself was to bring himself out of his mind and into the present, basically to wake himself from Humpty Dumpty's influence/trance.

Also, when he became aware of Echo and Gil, perhaps he was seeing through HD's eyes? I guess another assurance that he was the core, plus it provided him a way to figure out what was going on with the two of them fighting off HD.

I'm really heartbroken about his death, but... at the same time, i'm satisfied with it. He was very brave and true to himself until the end. I think coming back later in the story will taint that fact, so neither do I think he'll come back, nor do I want him to.

I half expect Oz to turn out to be his uncle's son. :x so I don't think he's from the 100 years ago, but it's very possible, haha. :'D

I need to read it through a few more times to make sure I'm not missing anything before I add much to the discussion. I'll just say that I am not convinced Elly is really gone. Leo being knocked out seems a little too convenient, especially after he just felt something when the stone was broken. So I hope he wakes up in time to do something... whatever that may be. I hope so, anyway, even if that was a heroic and fitting end for Elliot.

As far as Oz and the past and all that... the question of exactly when Jack died has bothered me, too, but I don't know how Oz is connected to that. My "conspiracy theory" is that there isn't just one version of the past, but that's probably just my crazy idea. XD

such a sad chapter but if elliot had to go i'm glad it was like that

Oz's flashback my first thought was, was it jack who killed alice? or maybe jack feels responsible for her death (maybe she even killed herself...as he says rejected) it could show oz getting himself confused with jack

i also think page 11 is some very clever panelling I don't think it's past alice calling oz i think it's present alice managing to break threw his memory (as the next panels seem to be in the present)

i think you're right about barma, deffinatly don't think he's told us everything yet

on p7 is vincent about to shoot oz? that would explain "i'm sorry jack" and gil's anger though gil has plenty of reasons to be annoyed at him, or the person about to smash the stone? as he doesn't want anyone knowing about the past

the will of the abyss wishes to destroy the black rabbit (makes me wonder what wish break is trying to grant also) as it seems b-rabbit and alice are becoming more and more separate could it be what the will of the abyss really wants is her twin sister back? and b-rabbit took her away from her

I'm too emotionally traumatized to think properly right now (and spell, evidently.), but however sad I am about Elliot's death, I'm glad that he got to go in a way that suited him.

Provided that he is dead, of course. LIVVVVEEEE, PLEASE, LIVEEEEEEEE I almost don't trust sensei with these things anymore.

In other .... whatevers, I'm glad that Oz is no longer yandere because bloody hell does that annoy me. He did look rather cute before he offed Yura, though. Also, that Echo and Gil are getting some panel time.

I have to say, I think that either Leo or Vincent will become the real villain of this arc - it's not totally unimaginable; Vincent, with his fluctuating loyalties, and Leo with the stress of recent events BEING ALL HIS FAULT.

Not that I want this to happen. 'Cause if it does, then they'll both probably end up dead, and I love them both too much for that.

Yup. *Joins the sobbing masses in a corner*

Ahhh, so someone else also thinks Oz was around 100 years ago XDD
Not enough to proove, but the newest chapter, as far as I'm concerned, makes it a heck of a lot more possible. Espeically with Alice saying his name :D Other points are that the Glen memory fragment in Sabrie knew who he was, there is a third individual in some of the scenes with Jack that hasn't been 100% to be Glen (though it probably is), and that Alice is unaware of all the bad rep. that B-Rabbit seems to have (I think it's possible Oz could be the original B-Rabbit, the one that gave it it's notorious name).
Ok, I'm stopping spouting theories about Oz cause I could go on for a while ^^;

Eliot... Bawwww, his final words were just so... so Eliot it made me cry ;-;
I'm still in denial... There is a very, very slim possibility that he'll live, but I doubt it... Still hoping!
Or hoping that the Abyss as a world of lights where you can meet the dea is somewhat true (it seems to be, considering Jack's response to Yura that it's a tomb). At least that way we can see him again, and he can give Oz a big, angry lecture about quilt or how much of an idiot he is for considering changing things for him or something... Ah, more ideas floating around ^^;

Great chapter, even if it made me very depressed ;A;

I've been thinking about it for a while now. I always assumed I was just on lulz for it, but I kind of had the idea Oz slashed Alice and killed her. There's no way scissors can just run down your entire body. Still confused about WHY Vince's scissors are there. I hope it isn't true. D: MochiJun isn't simple enough for "Look scissors. Vincent did it kthx." I must be wrooooong. ;___; mustmustmust

And oh my Elliot. E-Elliot...

After this chapter, I'm actually starting to believe that theory that Jack was the one who killed Alice, because of the images of Alice's corpse. At that time, he could have killed the black Alice and not Alyss, making her unaware of what he actually did. I thought Oz going "I did this before" or along the lines of that was him remembering the feeling of when Jack did it before, since they have some sort of connection when it comes to thoughts and feelings. But that's just me. We know how good Mochijun is from misleading us from the actual truth XD.

I thought the lines of "Wish of the Will" was actually to "eat B-rabbit", not two separate contexts. I thought it was one whole sentence put together, so it's like The Will of the Abyss wishes to have B-rabbit consumed. Of course, that may not be the same wish she had told Break... I wish Break'd tell already what it is :|.

As for Elliot seeing what was happening to Gil and Echo, I believe he was seeing it through the eyes of the Humpty clones. I believe that Abyss-like space Elliot was in before he snapped himself back to reality by stabbing his hand is the same place he goes to every time Humpty takes over his consciousness. Think of it as the whole process of it, or something. Only this time, Elliot did not give in to Humpty's brainwashing.

Hrmm, with Elliot seemingly gone, I want to believe that he's in the Abyss now. At least, through that, there's still a slight possibility of him living, even if he doesn't go back to his correct time. (For all we know he suddenly goes to the time Oz already has kids ahahahhahahaa -shot-).

I expect Leo to go batshit crazy once he wakes up. It definitely disappointed me that he just suddenly lost consciousness (I think). DAMMIT LEO YOU NEED TO HAVE SEEN THAT. YOU NEED TO HAVE GONE DRAMATIC AND STOPPED ELLIOT. TAT.

And hello, my first time commenting on a discussion thread. HURP DURP.

Hahaha yes I totally agree that I am hoping for some quality Oz and Gil time in the next chapter! I have been seriously missing them.

And waaaaah for Eliot. He's just so wonderful. And that line, "How could I burden that brat with the weight of my life?", oh gosh, *runs to sob in the corner*

I'm still looking for more information to prove my theory that Oz was alive 100 years ago
Hmmm, interesting point, I hadn't thought about it but this chapter does raise a suspicion... imo it could have happened in 2 ways:
option a) we know Zai has done something to little Oz, and Oscar suspects it's not the same boy... what if he was actually brought back from Sablier-time with some kind of ritual? Some sort of reincarnation-thing with the sole scope of throwing him in the hands of Alyss at the right time?
option b) we can't be sure of how long Oz stayed in the abyss... what if he first came out in Sablier, only to be brought back to present after the tragedy occurred, and with no memories of it?
option c) (did I say 2? lol) for all we know, Oz might be the product of the tragedy itself and the abyss is just a fragment of his mind rather than Alice's.

*brb sobbing in the corner for elliot*

One thing I'm surprised no one has mentioned yet...if the wish of the Will of Abyss is to have B-Rabbit consumed, could we be gearing up for a show down between Mad Hatter and B-Rabbit? On the one hand, that would be awesome and make sense, since they are the only chains that can kill other chains. On the other hand, with Break/Mad Hatter being 'friends' with Alice/Oz/B-Rabbit, I can't see it happening. Besides, Break didn't seem all that excited about fulfilling his wish to the Will of Abyss anyway.

Not only did Rufus sense the breaking of the 3rd seal, it looked like Ada and some of the others did too. But of course, Rufus knows more than he's letting on. Ada probably knows more than we'd guess, too :)

Elliot's death (assuming it was indeed death) was very noble and beautiful. And I just knew he was going to end up sacrificing himself in some way, in contrast to all that vitriol he was spouting at Oz about how lame self-sacrifice is.

I agree that Oz might have lived 100 yrs ago...Glen knew his name and stuff about him, after all, when they met in Sablier.

I just hope nobody else dies.

Wow. I really hope Elliot is dead. His death has so much meaning and can be a catalyst to a ton of things. It also has a lot of impact on the readers; up to three or so chapters ago, we still thought Elliot was the reincarnation of Glen, aka safe. Even in the plot, Elliot staying alive would mean heaps of drama and a clusterf*ck of psychological issues that IMHO could be difficult to solve even for Mochizuki Jun. So, Elliot should stay dead. Reviving him would just cheapen the entire arc and PH as a whole. ;_;

Am I the only one who absolutely hated how useless Alice has become? When the Baskervilles came running, I thought she was going to do something. She looked quite peeved at that one panel. But nooo, Oz had to save her. And when he passed out, I thought Alice might take the power of B-Rabbit herself and help Gil protect him and herself or whatever. But nooo, she was only trying to bring Oz round. What. T__T

As for Oz... Uhm... I hope he doesn't realize right away that he half-killed Elliot. Let that skeleton out of the closet later. Right now he has his (Jack's?) bloodlust to process, and his seal most likely advanced. It should be around 8 o'clock now, I think...
I don't want an emo Oz anyway. I'm fed up with protagonists who mope around and want to save everyone, blah blah. It's quite a feat Oz managed to wreak so much havoc without killing more than one person, so unless he feels bad about slaughtering some chains that weren't even separate entities, just clones, he should be more worried about the ease with which he/Jack dealt with that stuff than the fact that Yura kicked the bucket. (I hope he's dead for good.)

That memory of Glen saying Oz's name... For now, I'm thinking that it was either 1) not a memory, but Glen's soul fragment, or 2) Glen back then was aware that "Oz" could exist, aka he knew Jack may end up reincarnated. Glen wasn't human, he could have had the understanding of how the souls / reincarnation worked in PHverse. Who knows, my own crackpot conspiracy theory says he/they (Glen and Jack) could have plotted something together, to ensure Jack's consciousness won't be gone with his death. Perhaps to accompany Glen even after regular human lifetime.
I'm not sure whether it was the memory of Alice saying Oz's name or current Alice. I can't be arsed to check when she was wearing those clothes... Was it at the time of her death? /lazy Hmmm... wouldn't it be a kicker if back at Sablier Oz was the "dark" side of Jack's personality. Like now Oz is influenced by Jack, back at Sablier Jack also wasn't fully his own person. lolwhat

haha, not much to say on this chapter to be completely honest except for the fact that I cried at the kitchen table for about half an hour after reading the raw

this damages my mental health a little bit /no what bias

does this mean Elliot is Lacie? if Leo is Glen and Oz is Jack, then maybe his death will spur Leo to go completely batshit and maybe we'll get to see some more of those two soon

Hiya~! Joining the discussion very late!

I'm still sad about Elliot's death!! It was such a beautiful and tragic death, befitting his character very much. I think his death will bring something different into the plot, especially since Leo won't be so stable anymore...

Oh how I wish I had read this earlier...

Lets go by order:

-I don't think Yura is dead at all. That botox bastard is a cochroach!

- In Oz topic, oh dear lord, I have lots to think about.
As I said, I agree with the theory that he was alive 100 years ago and killed Alice... but I don't think he was born on that era. I think in some retraces he'll meet the will of the abyss or something, and wish to turn back time. There he'll find himself in the past and kill Alice by accident once more, so that the circle continues. Or maybe he'll break that circle, who knows? And that would explain why Alice erased her memories: that would be betrayal.

-Oz's seal is moving way too fast for my opinion, and I still don't get why he passed out.

- I think Elliot stabbed himself to regain conciousness once more, to avoid being dragged into sleep. Since he had such an advanced contract with the chain, making himself damage would hurt the chain as well and it would release him (sorry if my english goes mad, I'm hyperventilating and grammar dies xD)

- "How could I burden that brat with the weight of my life?" That's now one of my fave PH quotes, if not my total fave.

- I can FEEL Elliot in the abyss right now. It would be really interesting...

BTW, I'm going to send you a conversation I had with Ryoura about this. We were really high so it's really long, but I need more heads thinking about this hehe. Funny how we thought of many similar points.